open Senate Meeting. 1

[Chris]

Manius was surprised that the topic for the day was not centered around warfare, as he had highly suspected it would be. Perhaps it was his own connection to the east - via his late father - that had kept his mind focused on such matters. When Caesar, then, took the floor to propose an alimenta for the poor and homeless, Manius Scaurus couldn't help but consider it a fine proposal. His colleagues all seemed in agreement of that point, and each had a concern for exactly how the poor might be looked after, as well as how it would be funded. Various concerns, thoughts, and ideas had been brought forth. As of yet, Caesar had yet to take back the floor and so after Titus Sulpicius Rufus had spoken his mind - expanding upon Tiberius Claudius' words - Manius Scaurus took his turn before the assembly.

With a firm movement he pushed the palm of his hand against his cane, exerting his strength through it and into the stone floor to push himself straight up. For any other man there standing was a normal activity that required no thought or concentration - for Manius it had been one of the biggest achievements of his adult life.

"Fellow senators," he began, and surveyed the faces of the Curia. Manius had been told in the past that his voice favored his father, loud and rounded. "Many years ago I was involved in a very unfortunate accident. A fire had spread across the subura my mother and I were travelling through. As the brave vigiles are instructed to do, buildings around the blaze were demolished so as to prevent its spread. One of the buildings collapsed right on top of the litter I was in. My mother was killed. I was terribly injured. For a time my father assumed I was brain dead. His friends and colleagues told him he would be better off putting me out of my misery than praying to the gods that I might be healed. My father, though, was a determined man. I'm not sure I would called him religious, but he certainly was pragmatic. He prayed to the gods just to be sure, and then spent a fortune finding doctors and healers from across the world to speak with me, to work with me.

"He was unsure if I would ever speak again. Here I am speaking. He was certain I would never walk again. I'm not sure you could call what I do walking exactly," he chuckled, "but it's close enough. I don't tell you this for sympathy or to boast. I tell you because the only reason I am here is because the status of my family was enough to fund my rehabilitation. I was as far from being a senator as any other homeless youth in the streets of that now rebuilt subura. But, here I am. It took wealth, and it took some of the same determination that my father possessed. But, I do not believe that trait to be unique to the Aemilii. No, it is a Roman trait: to never give up, to strive to attain something better.

"And now we few have the power to make a difference in the lives of many. Many who, though they share the same blood, are not blessed with the same luxuries or opportunities. To be sure, there are roles in our society that need to be filled. Not every cripple can rise to become a senator, nor should they. But, they can at least rise to be something more than a trampled on vagrant; more than a pawn in some gang lord's scheme to take advantage of other groups of unfortunates.

"I agree that the matter of how a project of this scale should be funded, and how we should choose or select those to be helped are points that will take some discussion, but I am sure Caesar has more to his idea than the idea itself."

With that, Manius Scaurus returned to his seat.

[Chris]

Quintus kept a steady gaze on each senator that stood to speak his mind. Each man had a fair point to make, and though the discussion quickly expanded into some of the finer details of the proposal rather than simply focusing on whether or not the proposal itself was one to vote in favor it, Quintus was content. That the senators decided to dive right into the intricacies rather than argue the merit of the idea in the first place was a sign that they were, mostly, in support of it.

After Manius Scaurus returned to his seat, Quintus stood and once again was Caesar. "I commend you, Senator Scaurus, on your determination and dedication to the state, and on your eloquent address to this body." A few 'Here! Here!'s rose to fill the silence of Caesar's rhetorical pause.

"I have heard the concerns you have all voiced," he continued, addressing the senate at large. "Who should receive the benefits of the state's generosity? What should those benefits be? How should the state pay for it? The cost of a project such as I have proposed on an empire-wide scale would be astronomical. Though I am glad there are those among you who consider extending the alimenta to the empire as a whole, my eyes are set on Italia to start. Begin the program here, in the heartland of our empire." In truth, Quintus had considered an empire-wide program, though he had come to the conclusion that such a program would have to be organized and maintained on a more regional autonomous level, as opposed to being controlled from Rome. Now was not the time for such ideas, however.

"In regards to funding," he switched gears, "the initial phase I intended to fund with the remaining war booty from the campaigns in Britannia. Though, that will run out eventually, and when it does an alternative source will be necessary. The three main ideas I have heard I have liked - philanthropy, tax cuts, or tax repayments. Or perhaps a combination of the three. What further ideas does this body have in that regard?"

@Tori

 

[Gothic]

@Tori is skipped. Marcus Aemilius Scaurus Alexander remained silent during the proceedings yet listened closely. 

 

(As Titus Flavius Caesar Alexander)

Titus listened eagerly to what had been said. Someday this would be where he would address the Senate and ask for their opinions on his policies. For each man in turn, he would consider what was said and watched as his cousin, Tiberius entered to speak to the gathered assembly. He had no desire to be overshadowed by his cousin. Even if they were close friends. He smiled when Tiberius came back to stand with him and leaned towards him to whisper. "Well done, Tibs," in his ear. Many of the men had similar beliefs of assistance when it came to dealing with the unfortunates. Titus was not above compassion for his fellow man. Especially if it meant that the people would be loyal to his family for what had been given to them. 

Then his father rose to speak to the gathered assembly of men. Titus felt his heart fill with pride at the sight and listened to his father's words. It was not politically wise to speak out against Caesar. The Augustus spoke of the future issues Rome had to deal with. The Germani and the threat from the East before mentioning the civil war that had torn many families apart through the struggle to maintain power. Many died. Including his legitimised half-brother... and his twin, although the latter came afterwards. 

Confidentially he walked out to address the gathered assembly of men. He may be young but he needed to show them how worthy he was to be here. Caesar's son or not. 

"I agree with my honourable father, the Princeps," He began with a nod in Quintus' direction. "Coin runs the world and the Roman state must be wise. A focus in Italia as a model for other places to follow would be the best cause of action. Any issues will be found prior and be able to be nipped in the bud. My honourable step-mother has contributed much time and resources to her own cause, yet, we need to look for longer and more stable forms of coin. The Ailmentia tax, it may not be popular as a rise in taxes never are yet it will give long term funds for the project." He stopped then asked. 

"And how long do we expect this to go on? Will we support these orphans from this civil war or will we be supporting all orphans?" Titus asked, before he went back to stand alongside Tiberius and gave him a playful nudge with his elbow. 

 

@Brian

[Brian]

Would this ever end?! 

Gaius had only been half listening to the proceedings. He knew that his mother would probably want to know everything about what had been happening. Who suggested what, who had been hostile to someone else, and more. He leaned against a pillar, yawned and said nothing. 

 

@Gothic

[Gothic]

(As Marcus Valerius Maximus)

Marcus listened as most of the men brought up their own thoughts and considerations. Occasionally he would nod in understanding and scowl in frustration if a response did not please him. He was a practical man, always. Coin was an important part of managing the empire yet keeping the plebs content was equally important. The careful balance in Rome was essential to prevent crime yet it was not wise to permit people to become lazy, and expect to receive handouts. Still, the Civil War had been long and bloody with most families of Rome who had been impacted by what had occurred. 

He rose from his seat to address the gathered body of men. 

"Another suitable line of work and training would be new recruits for the army to serve Rome in thanks for the kindness. If we offer assistance there needs to be some type of economic or social reward." He explained another possibly yet he was always a man of few words. Soon he returned to his seat and waited for the Princeps Senatus to speak once more. 

OOC: Next up is the Senatus Princeps.

 

 

[Gothic]

Titus Caecilius Faustinus (NPC)

He tapped the wooden stick to ensure he kept everyone's attention focused on the matter at hand. The Princeps Senatus got some of the rather bored Senators dirty looks from where he was seated. There had been a range of ideas and possibilities that had been discussed. Most people had been willing to contribute in some shape or form to the discussion. He stood back up again. It was time to redirect attention necessary. Already the day had been long. They would likely require another couple of meetings before everything would be sorted. 

"Senators, many ideas have been put forth and are highly valuable. For now, this meeting will decide the final issues concerning the funding and solidifying the plans for the Alimenta. If the Gods are kind, we will work out the scope and funding. Thus far we have; the orphans from Clemens' rampages, the orphans of said rampage in Italy first, and even outside Rome at a later date," He paused, in order to give everyone present a chance to listen, "Furthermore, should only the orphaned children of merit be chosen for assistance? Academic or shall we send them off to the army when they are done? All children? What of the girls and the expense of a dowry or trade to provide for them?" 

He was quite breathless and rested a hand on his chest. 

"Shall we have buildings to house them and deal with the expense? Or permit people to take them into their homes as a ward system? Or perhaps as an apprentice?" He continued, it would potentially lower the cost to the treasury. "Funding and the final decision concerning the scope needs to be decided, honoured Senators." Titus said, sat down and tried to breathe. 

 

@Sharpie

[Sharpie]

Aulus paused to see whether anyone else would stand and bring something else to the discussion, but it seemed that nobody else had anything to say right now.

"It seems to me that we have mainly to decide the initial funding for this project - whatever it is and however done, previous beneficiaries should be encouraged to pay back what they have received, thus providing funding for future orphans to receive the same sort of training.

"For those in Rome, it seems that Rome should be encouraged to pay towards this. After all, the aim is to encourage these orphans into a productive life rather than into the gangs which do so much to intimidate the less fortunate residents of the city.

"I am therefore of the opinion that this venture should initially be paid for through taxes, perhaps aided by the philanthropy of the generous among us, and thereafter by taxes and the sale of goods made by these orphans during their time in training - I am presuming that they will be trained in some trade or skill, after all,for not every freeborn male citizen is suited for the Legions, and no female may serve with the Eagles."

Having spoken, he looked around and resumed his seat. Had things gone differently for him all those years ago, his own son might be one of those to be subject to such a program as they were discussing today.

 

@Brian

[Brian]

Coin. Everything always came down to coin. 

The funding was always an issue for any policy. He did not personally agree with a permanent policy for the future. However, the orphans would then in turn pay that money back to the people of Rome. Charity was for women and for the temples. It was not necessarily something they could depend on. Lucius did not normally wish to repeat himself. However, it was necessary and he rose to his feet to address the gathered group of men. Lucius would not even mention the unthinkable of women serving in the legion. 

"In agreement with most of what my colleague states," He began, then paused, "Mostly, that is, a tax is necessary yet the populace will need to be reminded of the investment and to see it themselves. Whether it is through construction work or being able to see the men be recruited into the legions when the time comes." Lucius finished before he sat down again, and waited to see what the next comment would be. 

OOC: RL got in the way. Sorry, all. 

@Gothic

[Gothic]

He listened while the conversation had been guided.

It would be happening and now they needed to decide how to fund the enterprise. Quintus knew his wife would be pleased. Although he was more practical, and concerned when it came to direct funding. Donations were always a good thought. Yet many wanted to know they would receive direct results would ultimately be. It was a long term investment in the future of Rome. Quintus figured matters concerning the female children would be left to the women, who would train them in women's duties so they may become proper wives and mothers to the future men of Rome. Quintus addressed the gathered assembly of men. 

"Good Praetextatus speaks true concerning the wares. Perhaps, the wares should be stamped with an official seal and become a source of pride for the people of Rome? To purchase an item with the official stamp on the wars would be a sign of unity," He said, "as for cost, taxation is not popular and donations may be a good idea for now. Yet.. it is not a long term solution, my colleagues." 

Quintus said his piece and sat down once more. 

@Brian

[Chris]

**OOC: Jumping in to wrap this up. See further note at the bottom of my post.**

The discussion continued on for some time until the sun had fallen and the limit for the day's session was almost at hand. With concerns raised and many opinions given on how to quiet those concerns, the core of the discussion boiled down to funding. Though always eager to look good in the public eye, Caesar knew that senators were not eager to simply hand over their wealth to those of less fortunate standings. He had heard enough for one day.

Caesar rose. "Senators, a great many ideas have been brought forth," he began, "but I feel we have come to a point of simply talking in circles. Therefore, I move to formally adjourn the session so that it might reconvene in a week's time whereupon a fully formed proposal will be brought forth for voting." The Curia was in agreement, and the session was closed, with official notes handed over to Caesar.

One week later...

The follow-up session fell on an awful, rainy day and as a result of the weather the proceedings were delayed until enough of a body was present to vote on the legislation in question. Caesar had reviewed the official notes from the previous week and had invited various senators to meet with him privately so they might expand upon their initial ideas. When the floor was gifted to him, Caesar stood and gave the finer points of the alimenta, all of which were ratified by the house.

The main points were as follows:

• Overview: The alimenta will provide general funds, food, and education to orphans and homeless children.
• It would be available across all of Italia, to children aged 0 through 14, and broken into three stages with the long-term goal of producing citizens who could contribute to society as a whole. Non-citizens (freedmen/pelegrini) could also gain access by way of sponsorship by a patron.
   
  • Stage 1 - Ages 0-6
    • The state will begin construction and operation of large homes/education centers (Domi Alimentum) for young and abandoned children where they will be looked after and given basic education and survival skills.
       
  • Stage 2 - Ages 7-14
    • At the age of 7, children will graduate from the Domi Alimentum and be sent to the homes of sponsors to learn a trade for the next seven years. These sponsors are vetted by the state, and are themselves citizens who are farmers, craftsmen, or temple staff. In return for educating or training the children in their trades, the sponsors receive tax breaks.
      • Sponsors are to be regulated and reviewed twice a year, and if they are found guilty of abuse or neglect, they can be fined (the total of the tax reductions they have received, or more; or imprisoned).
      • Any sponsor who decides to adopt a child will receive double the tax credit until the child comes to the age of majority (15).
         
  • Stage 3 - Ages 15+
    • When a child turns 15, the sponsor has the choice to 'hire' the child, or not. If the child is hired, they will stay on to work as hired labor for their sponsor, with the sponsor continuing to receive a tax credit. For those children who are not hired:
      • Boys will be enlisted into the military at full recruit pay. Those whom have been trained in crafts will receive additional pay, and most likely will serve away from the front lines. After serving 15 years in the legions, said 'alimenti' will receive a plot of land upon which to live. The sponsors will receive 5% of the alimenti's pay, only while the child is in active service. After 15 years, the alimenti will receive a plot of land and will no longer have to pay any percentage of their income to their former sponsor.
      • Girls will be enrolled as servants in the temples, brought on as handmaidens for one of Rome's noble families, trained as nurses, or any other number of available professions.
         
• Funding: The initial donation to begin the construction of Domi Alimentum is to be made from the leftover booty from Caesar's British campaigns, along with donations from Rome's nobility. Further funding shall come from state financing.
  • Loans will be given by the state to desiring members of the Equestrian order who meet pre-determined criteria. The borrowers are required to repay the loans with yearly payments (plus interest) that will go to fund the alimenta, and makeup for the income lost as a result of the tax reductions given to sponsors.
  • Those who receive loans cannot also be sponsors.
     
• Longevity: Any alimenti who are able to rise into the Equestrian order will be eligible for a loan at a much lower interest rate than standard. Additionally, any alimenti who complete 15 years of service in the legions will also be eligible for loans, or to serve as sponsors themselves.
  • Should the system of sponsorship fail, or borrowers dry up, taxes could be imposed on the equestrian and senatorial orders at large.
     

**OOC: Thanks to everyone who participated in this thread. We had some really great interactions and ideas. We decided to wrap it up as it had slowed down - mostly because of my own inactivity, for which I do apologize. The staff are already cooking up some great new ideas, so keep your eyes peeled!**